Scoop: The 'Supernatural' Episode That Changes Everything!

Toni-ann Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 11:07 PM EST

OMG ARE U SERIOUS? SAYING UR NOT A DEAN FAN IS LIKE SAYING YOU HATE CHOCOLATE! ITS PROPOSTUROUS (I KNOW I SPELT THAT WRONG!) OMG I CANT BELIEVE U SAID THAT!.

anyway, im sooo excited for this episodee ahh ! i NEED to know about Mary's past. its been driving me crazy since season 2 finale !

LindsayW Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 02:14 PM EST

How did I just find this gem of a video today? Thank you so much for the VERY INTRIGUING Supernatural news!!!!!!!

that guy Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 02:54 AM EST

Meh, I personally liked Season 3. The third and first seasons were good, I thought the second one was mediocre. I love the idea of the pretty damn unbalanced rivalry between Sam and Lilith. Lilith already killed Dean (thank God [I'm not much of a Dean fan... he frustrates me]) but as some people said earlier, neither character can be the sole person of the show without it dying down.

So my conclusion, let's have Dean come back, or let's have Lilith kill Sam as well and have it be the end of it. Cuz no matter what we all don't want to admit, Jared and Jensen are both great actors but in this show, one is useless without the other to support them.

Jane Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 01:26 PM EST

Shivvie
Sorry to disagree but for me S3 started badly and continued in that vein. There were 2-3 really enjoyable episodes but most were sub-standard compared to S1&2. Majority of fans seem to think Dean dying and going to Hell was awesome, I totally disagree, he didn't deserve that. I feel resurection of people into their original human form can't have any part in this genre(trying yes,suceeding no). So are Sam and Dean still flesh and blood humans and if they aren't what's the point of it all? I dont know if the writers can rebuild the relationship that is the heart of this show. I know J&J will do their best but I felt even they were going through the motions last season. I also think the loss of some of the original writers has been detrimental to the quality, particularly Raelle Tucker.
I hope they can turn it around in S4 but I'm not holding my breath.
I really miss the element of fun that was lost in S3, I loved J&J when they made me laugh. It's all got too serious.

shivvie Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 12:43 AM EST

Jane I think season 3 started out a little rough but it picked up steam and finished up with a magnificent bang. Season 4 is going to be even better.

My only concern is whether The CW is going to be around for the 5th season. As long as the network is on the air, I think SPN is safe. It's still one of their highest-rated shows, especially now that wrestling has moved off the network.

The question of whether The CW will actually last 2 more years is a whole other discussion altogether.

Michael, you got any scoops for us on that?

Jane Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 05:26 PM EST

I was going to start with a plea to the fangirls to give us all a break with the Sam/Dean saga when I realised that when I was the age I suspect most of these girls are I was passionate too. I remember having arguments with friends over the merits of Starsky and Hutch ( dont laugh it seemed important at the time). What I dont remember, looking back from thirty years+ is any of the petty, vindictive, bitchyness displayed by the present fangirls. I think the best thing we can do is leave them with their word counters and stopwatches so they can keep track of words and screen time of their favourite and hope that some time in the future they will get a life.
We have more important things to worry about namely the future of this wonderful show. As a fan who loves Supernatural I will make crtical comments about it. I think Season 3 was a tremendous disappointment and if things dont improve quickly at the start of Season 4 I'm not sure it will survive to Season 5.

shivvie Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 04:16 PM EST

I think this is going to be the best season yet. I can hardly wait to see what new twist Kripke has in store for Dean. Jensen will do an amazing job with whatever he is given.

I'm also looking forward to Sam finally going darkside. They've been talking about that for 2 seasons and I definitely think it's time for them give us the pay-off for that storyline.

Man it's going to be a great seasons.

Sharon Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 12:57 AM EST

What are you doing? all of you? attacking either actor is out of order and no excuses both boys have hopefully successful movies ..Jensen and Jared deserve better and attacking a poster he stated both boys is out of order too , and not on here I do not regard either boy to be better than the other but both work damned hard and dont deserve backstabbing by anybody ...

Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 12:11 AM EST

"Lets see, I also said BOTH boys are wonderful actors. And as I ALSO said I wish BOTH the best. But I guess to you that makes me solely a Jared fan."

Nope. If you're going to defend Jensen as swiftly and as vociferously as you defend Jared, then I believe you're a fan of both. But there are plenty of fans who are that way in name only, to try and gain some kind of moral high ground from which to subtly bash the other. I've seen enough to be wary of anyone claiming neutrality who goes on to defend only one of them (particularly against snark that was instigated by a bash against Jensen).

CL Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 10:52 PM EST

"Wow. Why am I NOT surprised that you criticize the response instead of the instigation? Ugh. Here's what that post was in response to:

"And oh, Jared got a role that the producers had waited years to fill. In a project that holds cult-status. He's getting on the big screen in a movie that is guaranteed to be talked about. Jensen's TIH didn't even reach the DVD stands last I heard."

Was that statement unfair as well, CL? As a self-professed fan of both actors, surely you will defend them both?"

Oh hell yes, and if I had read through the pages of bullcrap and seen that post first, I would have responded. I adore Jensen, and IF you weren't looking for a fight, you'd have noticed I sid 10 Inch Heroes was a great movie. However, I merely scanned over the most recent few posts, saw the attack on Jareds movies, so responded to that.

Lets see, I also said BOTH boys are wonderful actors. And as I ALSO said I wish BOTH the best. But I guess to you that makes me solely a Jared fan.

Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 11:22 PM EST

"As a fan of both brothers and both actors, I'd like to say it was very unfair of the person who dissed Jared because his movie is going direct to DVD."

Wow. Why am I NOT surprised that you criticize the response instead of the instigation? Ugh. Here's what that post was in response to:

"And oh, Jared got a role that the producers had waited years to fill. In a project that holds cult-status. He's getting on the big screen in a movie that is guaranteed to be talked about. Jensen's TIH didn't even reach the DVD stands last I heard."

Was that statement unfair as well, CL? As a self-professed fan of both actors, surely you will defend them both?

Kellea Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 05:53 PM EST

I am super excited about this upcoming season!! I wish that the fighting over the Sam Show/Dean Show would go away though...EK has said in the past many times that the show is about the brothers...not one or the other...and both Actors (Jared and Jensen) are amazing...People need to relax and enjoy the ride!!! Trust the writers and EK vision...he has a plan and I personally can not wait to see the out come of this epic story!

K Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 01:26 PM EST

Okay after reading other people's stupid comments I just want to bang my head on something hard. What is wrong with people? Here's the bottom line to Dean fans AND Jared fans: THE SHOW IS NOTHING WITHOUT THE BOTH OF THEM.

End of story. Stop your bickering.

K Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 01:20 PM EST

CL, I just want to comment on one thing you said. You said you won't be watching next season because you heard stuff about them "acting more independantly of each other". If that's the reason you're not going to watch then I have to say that's pretty stupid. Kripke himself said we're still getting the brotherly thing. But for that to be the reason you're not gonna watch then I have say you're not a real big fan to begin with. To not even give it a chance? Your loss.

CL Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 11:13 AM EST

As a fan of both brothers and both actors, I'd like to say it was very unfair of the person who dissed Jared because his movie is going direct to DVD. Jensens still looking for someone to even sponser his onto DVD (10Inch Heroes was great, btw, I saw it at a con). Then they ripped his Friday the 13th movie, as if Jensen doing a 3-D remake of My Bloody Valentine is superior. Even big name actors start off this way, and picking on them for doing small movies in their off time is just uncalled for.

I'd also like to say that I won't be watching SN next season, for the simple fact that I loved the brotherly bond between these two boys, and they've already said next season they'll be acting more independantly of each other. And I also have zero interest in watching the Winchester brothers forced to reinact the Cain and Abel story.

But, I wish both actors the best. They are both wonderful.

shannon Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 10:35 AM EST

to dracoaestas maybe marys generation was to have sams generation or maybe mary and john were hunters togther or she was a hunter and thats how john became one.

dracoaestas Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 11:14 PM EST

*snorts* This is amusing. It really is. As long as these people (you know, the idiots) keep watching and keep the ratings up so that us intelligent ones can keep watching, then who cares?

Anyway, back on topic. Shannon, I have long held that suspicion. It seems Ava did away with all of the younger "psychics" that weren't already killed, but there must be some older ones as well. The only question that that arises is why would Azazel need different generations? Why would those older (or younger) be needed for Azazel's plan? He obviously chose Sam's generation to actually carry out the plan, so then what are the other generations for? My guess is that they were "failed" generations. Of course, Sam's generation failed in completing Azazel's plan as well, but in this case Azazel was killed because of it and his plan was most likely a failure. Any way, I'd appreciate it if someone would post a reply to this post, rather than those arguing about Sam/Jared vs. Dean/Jensen. Bye, for now! ~d

thesaint Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 11:38 AM EST

a transcript would be nice.

persd Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 04:46 AM EST

Hello stupid fans thanks for all the messed up.
i always enjoyed watch Supernatural but ever since i ran into this kind of fandom that make sick of Supernatural.
For all Supernatural fans just stop this nonesense.
or you regret it later because this is will give Supernatural VERY BAD name.
You hear that Stupid fans.
i think i have thing to say for Jensen.
i think u should out from Supernatural and Get the BEST show than Supernatural and make more project on MOVIE if u have chance.
i think u are great actor.
i say this not because i'm Jensen fan.
Hello i'm a guy who like Supernatural not a stupid fangirls who always whining.

ALL FANGIRLS JUST STOP THIS NONSENSE OR U ALL MAKE SUPERNATURAL LOSE MORE ATTENTION AND THE SHOW WILL CANCELED.

lulu Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:58 AM EST

Michael thanks for the spoilers. The season looks like it's going to be awesome.

crumbcake did it ever occur to you that perhaps Dean fans would be a little more sympathetic to some of their dissatisfaction, if they hadn't spent three years attacking Dean fans for their concerns?

But I do agree that SPN is a wonderful show and Jensen and Jared both deserve all the positive fan attention they get and deserve much, much more. I'll defintiely be following their careers when the show ends it run.

shannon Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 10:54 PM EST

MAYBE MARY WAS PART OF ONE OF THE OTHER GENERATIONS THAT YED REFERED TO IN SEASON TWO AND THATS HOW SHE KNEW HIM.

crumbcakes Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 10:49 PM EST

Yes, fandom is a funny thing. It's really funny seeing Dean fans rip on Sam fans for the same things they've been doing since season 1. Sam and Jared bashing occur on such a regular basis that perhaps they can't see it anymore.

Regardless, SPN is a good show, and for all its faults, I would never dump it for Grey's Anatomy or CSI or sitcoms. In fact, I dumped Grey's for SPN. I could DVR Grey's, but I'm just not interested enough in it anymore.

Jared and Jensen are both wonderful actors they work such long hours and give the show their all. I applaud them both for elevating the scripts and the production on the show.

I happen to be a Sam fan, and rather than engage in the vs. argument, I would like to compliment him on his quality acting, his continued growth during the show, and his ability to hone and flesh out a character with what seems like limited writer support.

Alexa Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 06:14 PM EST

I personally like the way Jared looks. I always have. I also think he's a compelling actor. But that doesn't stop me from appreciating Jensen's fine work (and appearance) as well. I have watched Supernatural since the beginning and I never noticed that one brother got more screen time than the other.

I think the stories are the most compelling part of the show, and I think a better story could be written for Dean finding out something terrible about his mother, his brother, or both.

And if Dean is the only one who goes back in time, Sam will still have something to do. He'll probably be acting to save his brother's life, like he did in WIAWNWB, DALDOM, and Mystery Spot.

impalafan Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 05:59 PM EST

Guys, I can't believe this debate is still going on and has now sunk so low as to be bashing the actual actors, and both Sam and Dean fans are doing it. If people don't like the way the storyline has gone or is going then that is an issue with the creator and writers not the actors. Please lets try to clean this discussion up a bit, and hey Dean fans - some of you are being just as embarrassing as some of the sam fans, everyone needs to chill a bit yeah?

Katie Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 05:17 PM EST

I am so increadably embarrsed to even be in the same fandom with people capable of such truley disgusting and hateful rants against Jensen and Dean. I think Jared would be so ashamed and embarresed to see his friend disrecpted like this by people claiming to be his fans. Jensen is a fantastic actor and he has done more with Dean then most could ever do and made such a compelling and likeable character and it makes me wonder I have seen it and many others too and you miss it then that is your problem. Jared has improved so much and is a very good actor.

Sam has gotten alot of focas and alot of spoilers and some here clearing want the Sam Winchester show and resent anything that takes total focas off Sam well stop watching. Our fandom is better off without people that spread this hate.

S3 had awful writing and Rubla and a Strike that is the reason for crappy ratings not Jensen and Dean no matter how many want to blame everything on Dean and Jensen because Sam has to share now.

Rosewood Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 04:38 PM EST

I love Supernatural. I'm thrilled Aussiello is covering my beloved show. Thank you! Aussiello, I’m virtually sending you a case of Raspberry Snapple as I can't afford the real shipping.

And, wow, I'm embarrassed by the fandom that posts here. I assume the many rationale fans post elsewhere.

If anyone calling themself a fan of the show wants this show to be taken seriously by others, then elevate the conversation, preferably to a discussion of the show, and not your own personal preference for either actor. That level of discourse does nothing to promote the show or the actors. If anything, it frightens people away.

Supernatural is supposed to be scarey and creepy and make you want to scream. Not the fandom.

Mara Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:32 PM EST

"Sam fans have the right to complain just like Dean fans have been complaining for years."

And Sam fans bashed the hell out of Dean fans for it. So, I'd say if they're going to complain, they get to experience the same treatment we did.

shang yiet Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:16 PM EST

Oh, knock it off, bashers! Prefer who you prefer, but the show needs both brothers and both actors to succeed. Neither Jensen nor Jared can claim sole credit for the show's success. And can we stop it with the Sam v Dean battle which makes everyone look like they're back in high school again?

Of course we don't want our fav brother sidelined but blame it on the writers.It's their job to make sure we love or like both brothers,it's theri job to write compelling stories that keep both Sam fans and Dean fans happy.

No need to bash the actors or either Sam or Dean.

Sam fans have the right to complain just like Dean fans have been complaining for years.

Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:28 AM EST

"Jared managed to make outright evil work, and Jensen can't handle being a bit of a jack-ass?"

How is one related to the other? Jensen made evil work beautifully in episode 1x06, "Skin". JDM did it similarly well in Devil's Trap, Fred Lehne did a great job in subsequent episodes, Nicki Aycox knocked it out of the park... lots of people do evil well.

How is playing evil related to playing jackass? They're two completely separate things.

Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 10:41 AM EST

"And oh, Jared got a role that the producers had waited years to fill."

Hee! Oh, right. I remember hearing, years ago, how they were longing to find just the right guy to play "victim #53 in that F13 remake". Dream on, sweetie. Are you the same one who predicted that Jared would be nominated for an Oscar for the Thomas Kinkade movie?

Ann Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 08:47 AM EST

Thank you Kripke for recognising Jensens talent and including his character in the mytharc. :)

Thank you Ausiellio for the scoop.

Kate Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 08:43 AM EST

Thank youf or the scoop. Eye-candy Jensen back in time..... sounds interesting. - Looking forward to see what SP will be like in season 4. I have not been disappointed yet. Great and talented actors, both Jensen and Jared.

DB Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 08:13 AM EST

Kudos to Jared for getting the role by the way. Kudos to Jensen for TIH and his other roles.

What's your point about Friday 13th? Last time I checked, media attention and box office success did not always dictate the quality of a movie or even the quality of the acting. Look at Supernatural. It doesn't get much attention in the media, yet is a quality show. Unless you disagree with me on the quality of the show of course.

The way you pit Jensen and Jared against each other is pretty funny. When they would support each other, elements of their fandoms decide to battle each other. But that's the internet for you - always full of funny people saying silly things. We all need a good laugh once in a while I guess.

Oh you poor person having to put up with bashing and grumbling. No wait, most of the fandom (non-rabid part) have to put up with it all the time, right now in fact.

Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 08:12 AM EST

"And oh, Jared got a role that the producers had waited years to fill. In a project that holds cult-status. He's getting on the big screen in a movie that is guaranteed to be talked about. Jensen's TIH didn't even reach the DVD stands last I heard."

Well I wish both actors all the luck in the world with their projects. I somehow doubt you feel the same.

"And I'm sure that when this Jensen-season is over there's going to be even more to grumble about. But of course it will be Jared's fault all over. " The only person blaming the one of the actors is you dude.

Now I think we've both embarrassed this fandom enough. So I'm done here. Keep bitching about Jensen if it makes you fell better but it ain't gonna change a damned thing. Kripke will tell his story the way he wants to and the rest of us will choose to tune in or not. While it hasn't always been perfect, I love the show and I'll be watching until the story is complete. Ciao.

Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 08:02 AM EST

Hey I was just responding to the level of maturity you showed in you post. "Hilarious" isn't it?

And the only hole-digging I see is by a couple of Jared fans who can't accept that the show isn't all.about.sam. Who have been making the same complaints since season 2. No character development. Doesn't get enough attention from Kripke, or the fans, or whatever. While the whole time pointing fingers at Dean fans for being too rabid or extreme or committing the most heinous of crimes, not pretending to love Sam as much as Dean.

Also if Jared is such a fabulous actor and such a huge draw now, why didn't the ratings go up?

I'll tell you why. It's because the ratings drop has nothing to do with either actor and you know it. The show is on against two and sometimes three of the highest rated network shows. That's just facts. But hey if you need to tell yourself that it's because Dean is too popular in fandom, go for it dude.

Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 07:49 AM EST

And oh, Jared got a role that the producers had waited years to fill. In a project that holds cult-status. He's getting on the big screen in a movie that is guaranteed to be talked about. Jensen's TIH didn't even reach the DVD stands last I heard.

And I'm sure that when this Jensen-season is over there's going to be even more to grumble about. But of course it will be Jared's fault all over.

Lucyann Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 07:42 AM EST

Easy, easy is what Jensen said at the comic con :). I really think this is a good advice here also. We may favor Jensen (as I :) ), or Jared. If someone tries to make the other look good by being negative towards the other, it doesn`t work. It is quite embarrassing to read some of the charactirizations here of the two great actors. Shame on you!

Marilill Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 07:37 AM EST

Thank you for the scoop. Please pay no attention to the bashing of actors that are occuring here,,, boy, there are really some bad, bad "fans" out there! Stop bashing Jensen, please! He has done a great job with Dean, and deseves so not to be treated this way! Jared is a fine actor too. It serves no purpose whatsoever if we start to bash the stars of the show!

Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 07:32 AM EST

Yes, because name calling instead of arguments is so mature. Calling someone a 12-year old is the epitome of maturity.

Jared managed to make outright evil work, and Jensen can't handle being a bit of a jack-ass?

Dude, I think you are digging yourself into a hole here. Because however much you try, ratings still dropped and it was all dean's season, bad scripts or no. He should have taken it and run with it, like Jared did.

Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 07:09 AM EST

Dude you gonna stick out your tongue next? Please tell me I'm arguing with someone over the age of 12.

But since you asked, the reason they didn't bother to come back when the deal story kicked into high gear, was because like everyone else, they assumed it was only there to service Sam's destiny and bring back his powers. I too would have quit watching except Jensen managed to make Dean likable even when the writers wrote him as a bit of a jackass in the early episodes. To me it was obvious that he was fronting. It's called subtext. Would you recognize it if you saw it?

I don't want to bash Jared but what greater attention, pray tell, is he getting? You mean the Kinkade vanity project that is going straight to DVD. Or F13 where he barely gets mentioned in articles about the film?

I think Jared is a perfectly fine actor, but he can't carry the show by himself. He never could. SPN works best when both brothers are given equal importance. Hopefully that's what we'll get in season 4.

Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 06:18 AM EST

And why didn't hose people tune in to S3 - the Sam arc why gone by that time and still the ratings dropped? Doesn't make sense to me. It was all about Dean's deal, you're saying it yourself and still the ratings dropped? Where's the famous logic you've mentioned?

Yes, it has to hurt. Jared is getting noticed. Because he manages to get his character to evolve with what little he gets. He takes it and kicks it out of the park. While Dean gets bad scripts? (TKAA) Well if he was the stellar actor and so much better than Jared is, he should have taken the script and made it work, shouldn't he? According to your famous logic?

*laughs even harder*

Because that's what Jared's been doing all S3, eveything little thing he was given, he took and made it matter.

So you're not watching for the arc after all, explains a lot. Because the Destiny was kind of hinted at in the Pilot and now it's not interesting but Dean still has to have a part of that arc to matter?

Logic?
This is hilarious.

Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 05:54 AM EST

Thanks I fully plan to enjoy the show now that Dean is finally equal importance to the story. I expect many others will as well. In fact the show has gotten more press attention since Kripke sent Dean to Hell than it has since the first season. Hopefully that will translate into even better ratings.

But really the only squirming I'm seeing is a couple of disgruntled Jared fans who can't accept that they are not going to get The Sam Show they felt entitled to with the introduction of special Sam, anti-christ storyline. Which, by the way, was the reason several people I know gave up on the show early last season. Hopefully they will check out the show again now that their favorite character isn't being shoved into the role of side-kick. I know I can now try to convince them to watch the show again in good conscience, which isn't something could do during the first half of season 3.

Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 05:41 AM EST

Eh?

Name one ep that centered on Sam trying to break the deal!

There were only tidbits inserted in eps here and there. The main focus was always on Dean and his deal's impact on the character. When the fanatical Dean-fans get what they want and it backfires, it's Sam's or Jared's fault? it's all in the hands of Kripke and what you wanted, my dear friends.

Well Dean's angst didn't work on the audience, it simply wasn't that interesting. So yes, Dean-girls, if the show gets canceled due ratings dropping, to your demands, you only have yourself to thank.

Of course you will try and blame Sam or Jared, but the numbers speak for themselves.

I'm laughing my ass off here watching your squirming and trying to blame Sam and Jared for the mess S3 became.

Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 05:21 AM EST

If you stopped watching the show why are you still commenting on spoilers?

Kripke said he pushed Sam's boy-king/anti-christ storyline to season 4 because of the strike. Dean's deal had a deadline so they had to deal with it more immediately. Perhaps the logic of that escapes you or perhaps twisting the facts is the only way you can win an argument. How sad for you.

Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 04:17 AM EST

"Ha! Interesting interpretation, Jess. But season 3 was supposed to be the season of Sam... the season of Sam stepping into Dean's role, becoming the proactive one, taking responsibility."

What are you people on? Kripke has admitted they pushed Sam back to give room for Dean and his deal. The creator himself has stated that fact!

And the deal was set up in a way that it could only revolve around dean, much like this season's finale was set up. To give Dean the major arc.

We will see where that decision ends, won't we? I can see here that all the viewers are not content.

Sam's season? You gotta be kiddin' me! Sam had one (3) episodes that was centered on him this season, one that was centered on his arc! Dean had at least 4 centered directly on his deal, maybe more since I stopped watching because it got boring!

pam Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:17 AM EST

Guys!
Thankyou Micheal so much for the Supernatural coverage! You are so awesome! And please excuse some of these comments from these so called fans that are not showing appreciation or class. We all love Supernatural and everyone on the show and Kripke is an amazing creator! I love all that he does and love both brothers equally and all the other actors that make this show so wonderful! I'm sure everyone that loves Supernatural feels this way but its disgusting they do not know how to show their appreciation and their lack of class is embarrassing! I feel the need to apologize for them and hope they open their eyes and shut their mouths! Thankyou again Micheal--We devoted fans can't wait to see the 4th season and are so happy and grateful to get it! Bless you!

Pfft Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:59 PM EST

Ha! Interesting interpretation, Jess. But season 3 was supposed to be the season of Sam... the season of Sam stepping into Dean's role, becoming the proactive one, taking responsibility. All the things you Samgirls ever longed for, all the things you said Dean got that made him so popular? They tried to give those to Sam this year, and it failed miserably. They tied Dean's hands with the whole "he can't act or Sam dies", they tried to shut off audience empathy for him in the very first episode, chalking it up to "coping" (ie, "sex and cheeseburgers"... you're right, super-compelling character arc for Dean there!), and gave Sam the moral dilemmas and the angst.

So, no, if we're talking about ratings going down for any reason, perhaps it would be because the show tried to turn Sam into Dean, and Dean into a passive, loutish damsel in distress, and audiences weren't buying it.

NG Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:44 PM EST

1). SN's ratings have nothing to do with whether one Winchester gets more attention than the other--and more to do with the power house competition that is Thursday nights.

2). Thanks to Ausiello for the scoop! I can't wait for this ep!

3). I'm sorry to see that our fandom really is making huge new strides in proving how nutty and bizarre we are in our division and venom :o(.

Jess Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:05 PM EST

"Sam was clearly expected to be the audience surrogate, something they pushed for at least 2 1/2 seasons despite evidence to the contrary right from the start with audience reaction.

Jensen has ALWAYS been the co-lead. But he's been a co-lead without a storyline beyond reacting to the other co-lead's storyline. "

Is that why the ratings plummeted in S3? When Dean's arc became the main focus? Dean took over in S3 - 2 1/2 years?

Ratings speak loud and clear.

It truly seems like it's again going to be all about Dean and thank you for the warning Micheal.

Fandom does on encompass the entire audience and it seems Kripke forgot what the started out with and is now paying the price.

Oh just stop it Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 08:39 PM EST

For the love of God will you all just stop it!! I couldn't even finish reading the posts because it is so nasty and negative. I love Supernatural but you do the show a disseverice by being this catty on the sites. No One whats to read posts where the posters all act like 5 year olds. And FYI you can debate a topic without becoming rude nasty. BY the way having someone disagree with you is not the same as being discriminated against. So Please all of you grow up and get a life.

Cohen Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 04:20 PM EST

Blind Item: One Tree Hill.

B Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 02:17 PM EST

thank you Chris - I have been wondering the same thing.

Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 01:28 PM EST

"For god´s sake, am I the only one who likes BOTH brothers?"

No. =) I love them both so much it's probably unhealthy. And I can't wait for Dean to get more mytharc and for Sam to get more emotional development. I think both actors will do amazingly with the material they'll be given.

Am I the only one reading all of these comments and laughing my butt off? 'Cause, really, there's a way to present your opinions without shoving them down everyone's throats.

VM Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 01:00 PM EST

For god´s sake, am I the only one who likes BOTH brothers?

Kim Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 12:57 PM EST

So Dean fans are completely innocent here, huh? Despite the fact that some of you are choosing to blame Jared for the lack of emotional insight for Sam. Oh yeah, you're so much more mature. Thing is, it shouldn't be up to Jared. It's the writers' job, and so far they've been doing great for Dean, but not so much for Sam. And it's the opposite with the mytharc. Sam's mytharc is great, but Dean doesn't really have any. So I have high hopes this season that Dean will get some good mytharc and that Sam will have a good emotional arc. If the writers manage to make the show more equal than it's been in the past, I'll be a happy camper.
And thank you Ausiello. Though I doubt you'll be doing much Supernatural coverage after this and I honestly wouldn't blame you.

Lee Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 12:28 PM EST

As a fan who is Bi-Brother, I'm almost afraid to step in as it seems many believe that a fan can only like one or the other, and if we feel something was unfair to either, than we can only be a fan of the one.

To me it seems both sides are... completely right! Sam got an unfair amount of mytharc, and Dean got an unfair amount of characterization. When fans say Sam never got to react to his own death, his possession, his fathers death, I don't see why or how other fans can just blow it off, as those are valid points. When fans complain how little Dean was involved in the mytharc, how can anyone just blow that off, when its also valid?

Why can't both sides step back and see the show has been unfair to both characters, and to both actors? It doesnt mean a loss to either side to see that we all have good points here.

Also, I think its sad that we have sides...I love this show, I love Sam and Dean. I think Dean needed a piece of mytharc, and Sam surely needs attention to his char.

Chris Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 10:07 AM EST

correction: Season 1 episode 14: "Nightmare"

Chris Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 10:01 AM EST

Will we ever see Sam's telekinesis come about again? there was one episode in season 2 where he was trapped in a closet because there was a desk or something in front of the door, and he moved the desk away with his mind so he could get out. I dont recall him ever doing that again.

James Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 09:19 AM EST

I wish you'd think again before continuing the degradation of women by calling your female colleagues the b word. Try and have some class for once.

DB Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 02:20 AM EST

Had to add, since my comment reached it's character limit. It's not new for people to go completely insane about a piece of spoilery. There's this tendancy to assume the worst when it comes to Kripke, which I don't really understand. The outrageous scenarios they come up with lead one to think that he is viewed as a bad writer. If that were so, why do they persist on watching?

On a positive note, I'm very excited about seeing Mary and John's past. It doesn't matter to me if only one brother gets to go back in time, because I have faith that Kripke will involve both brothers in this story arc. If some people didn't keep a tally of Sam has this vs Dean has this many, seizing on the slightest imbalance, they would probably enjoy it more too.

Currently I have no ideas on what the reveal is, but I'm hoping that YED and Mary thing will be answered soon. There are plenty of questions that need to be answered.

DB Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 02:08 AM EST

It's yet another fandom war. Shock that it happens in a spoilery article!

And to answer Rachel's question, there are people who care about both Dean's death. They're called Dean fans DUH. But I suppose that was a rhetorical question intended to insult Dean and downplay his importance. Most concerned Sam fans are able to voice their concerns intelligently without bashing Dean or seeming bitter but you fail there. :D

The absolute lack of faith in Kripke is laughable. Seriously, the guy isn't perfect, but the conclusions you are coming to from the most insiginficant pieces of information are just ridiculous. Sam not travelling back in time does not equal to Sam out of show. Does it not occur to you that there is more than one way this can be done? Guess not, too busy trying to bash Kripke to consider it.

You want to fight fire with fire colin? It's clear that you've been itching to lash out towards Kripke and Dean fans. So far, you're the one causing the most conflict anyway.

Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 01:32 AM EST

It appears both are going back according to imdb anyway. Anyone have any speculation on what the 'big reveal' is. It might be about Mary but what could it be? Come on guys lets talk about that now.

Adrianna Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 01:31 AM EST

Perfect!! SP keeps getting better and better! Thanks for the scoop! This was fantastic!!! Yaya.... hurrah... and so on... - very happy now... :)

Armella Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 12:48 AM EST

i don't really care which brother is going back in time, i'm just excited to find out more about mary's past and i'm sure that this episode will be amazing just like every Supernatural episode is!

steve Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 12:03 AM EST

is there any guys out there who want to talk about the awsomeness of this show and not just bicker about who's hotter.

Laura Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 10:47 PM EST

OMG! People are apparently going crazy! I am definitely more of a Dean fan than a Sam fan (Jensen is just sooo damn fine!) BUT I definitely still want Sam to have an equal part in the show because he is one half of the show for pete's sake. Still I don't get why people are throwing a hissy fit. You haven't even seen season 4 yet! Sure the first few eps may center around Dean more (He DID Just go to hell!) But I'm sure throughout the season, it will be about both guys.
Thanks Michael for the scoop!

Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 10:41 PM EST

I have to say this is a new low, even for the SPN Fandom. To bring fandom wank outside of your message board is rude, obnoxious and uncalled for.

It really does make the rest of the fandom look crazy...

Instead of thanking Michael for his coverage most of you are acting like children. (not all because I did see some intelligent posts) So thank you for those.

I would be surprised if Michael covered us again, because of all this wank. You just don't do this...

expressing concern and voicing your opinion in an intelligent manner is fine. But to insult Eric, Jensen/Dean is not okay...

Take it somewhere else, but not outside this fandom. Same wank happened a couple of weeks ago over at zap2it, it was disgusting.

Supernatural needs the coverage, so please stop your fandom wanking.

Steph Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 09:19 PM EST

oh my god!!!!! I can't wait til season four....that whole seasons gonna be good...like REALLY good...

besides that...i hate how everyone here is pretty much fighting over who is better:sam or dean. They are both MAIN characters on the show! you cant have Sam without Dean, or likewise. its not right! i love them both...Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles put their best effort out there! So please, no which-is-better fights!

immie_8 Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 09:11 PM EST

Oh, and the other thing that I find incredulous (and not in a good way) is that for the past 3 years we've been clamouring for more media attention, and now that we've got it, fans seem to accuse the reporters themselves of not being fair. Way to turn people off covering SN!

And on that note, thanks for the scoop, Aus, and I hope to hear more about SN from you. Despite all the comments, I know the majority of fans appreiciate any coverage and news about their show.

immie_8 Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 09:09 PM EST

I have to say that I'm very saddened by the state of this fandom as well. One of the things that drew me to this fandom was that the fans were all passionate about the show, BUT they also voiced their opinions in an intelligent, respectful manner. IMO, no one is saying that Sam fans should voice their opinions, BUT it would be nice if while trying to advocate more for Sam's character, that they didn't demean or bash Jensen/Dean so much (especially Jensen). Rudeness like that is NEVER alright; yes, and I'm sure there have been a share of Dean-fans who have been less than complementary towards Jared, and that was equally wrong, but it doesn't give Sam-fans the right to do the same. (Bashing, that is.)

steff Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 08:45 PM EST

i cant wait till season 4 its gonna be my first priority :)

plp shouldnt be fighting over which character is better,sam or dean..there both great characters and they both have spacial qualities, that will make this season amazing.

supernatural is a great show dont offend the actors by saying that they dont act good, they have done many videos that involved changing there emotions nd they each do great job acheving it...

-many sam and dean fans are upset of how many plp can come her and fight about who is better and who deserves more time on the episode...it actually makes you think of how jensen and jared would feel if they read this.

i love this show and i love the characters...

Sharon Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 08:39 PM EST

I agree that the mytharc will move forward , if it gets me inside Sams head by doing so great
See thats whats lacking you can give Sam all the emotional arcs going but if you ignore how it affects him its pointless like killing him then only having Deans deal as a result? thats not good enough not for me...

Emily Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 08:38 PM EST

One final thing, MANY of the spoilers this season about Sam have been about his state of mind, his emotions, about getting insight into them. Kripke, Sera AND Jared have stated this. You Sam fans are willfully ignoring them despite the fact that you've said that is exactly what you want.

Jared himself said at Comic Con that he's working harder on the show than he ever has before, that Kripke had him hit the ground running. As a Dean fan, I don't trust Kripke at all, he's disappointed me too many times before but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here because it sounds like he's trying to balance things for both brothers and has a definite plan in mind.

It sounds like both of them have plenty to do. In fact Jared described one of the episodes as having him fighting AND crying. That was episode 2. But obviously you are IGNORING that because then you couldn't whine and hope Kripke would make it The Sam Show again by taking Dean out of the mythology.

Emily Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 08:13 PM EST

"Dean is set up to be the popular one, Sam is the straight man to Deans cool funny badass protector role, Kripke used to talk about Sam being the hero of the show but the show has never ever been written that way, tbc"

No Dean wasn't. Sam was clearly expected to be the audience surrogate, something they pushed for at least 2 1/2 seasons despite evidence to the contrary right from the start with audience reaction.

Jensen has ALWAYS been the co-lead. But he's been a co-lead without a storyline beyond reacting to the other co-lead's storyline.

One thing has changed and one thing only, Dean Winchester has been given his plot within the mythology, which makes sense given from the beginning the show was said to be about family. Dean is a Wincherster just like Sam, Mary is his mother, just like Sam. This is more movement than we've had on the mytharc in ages and it's because they finally gave him a role. This is good for Sam, he hasn't lost anything and now the mytharc moves.

Emily Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 07:53 PM EST

"I havent seen a single Sam fan here say ANYTHING about not wanting Dean to have a major part in the mytharc. Just wanting more for Sam..I couldnt care less if Dean was the whole mytharc, it doesnt change the fact that Sam rarely gets episodes about him, and emotional storylines."

Wanting more for Sam than the entire mythology of the series he's had all to himself for 3 seasons? Sam's had plenty of episodes about him. There was plenty of space for insight and emotion to be had. I feel I got it but, if you didn't, maybe it is because Ackles was the better actor and was able to wring much more out of what he was given than Padalecki was. The writers put the material there for both of them. Even without dialogue I felt I knew what Dean was feeling and thinking. If you didn't feel the same for Sam, maybe it's not the fault of the writers. I'll never claim they are great, they are pretty mediocre but both actors are dealing with it equally.

ar Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 07:34 PM EST

Wow...this is really giving Supernatural a bad name! We should be excited for the publicity, instead most are arguing and bickering like little children. Great way to promote the show (she said sarcatically). At times I really believe that the SN fandom is it's biggest detriment.

Anyway, thanks Mike for the info. Most of us really appreciate the mention. I for one am really looking forward to this season and the role both brothers will continue to play.

ali Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 07:29 PM EST

"Hey what can I say - I never made up that label."

And if you never use it, I'll never have reason to think less of you in relation to it. If you do, I will. Simple as that.

shannon Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 07:17 PM EST

maybe mary cheated and bobby is the dad of one of them that would suck

Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 07:12 PM EST

Hey what can I say - I never made up that label.

Has anyone seen the title for the second ep at imdb? Its hilarious right? But it also states for the 4th ep that both Sam and Dean go back in time so thats a relief to read. Does not ease my fears for the season, because they were never based purely on this one ep but its good news!

Tinker Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 06:21 PM EST

Second that, Ali :)

Tinker Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 06:20 PM EST

SP is seriously a great show with two gorgeous looking and talented actors! I favor Dean/Jensen, but it wouldn`t be right without Sam/Jared. Thanks for the scoop, looks like episode 4 will be exciting.

ali Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 06:18 PM EST

I forgot to mention, in my derision for the EDG label...

I'm so happy to see that we're going to get more into the family mysteries and figure out what's going on! :) And I think bringing Dean in on this can be nothing but good... it'll let the brothers work together to figure this out, give them an equal stake in all of this, and allow the mytharc to move forward at a faster pace. Bring it on, Kripke! You rule!

Illogical Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 06:10 PM EST

Yes because Sam losing his fiance and his entire family isn't an emotional storyline. Also possibly going evil and becoming the anti-Christ isn't an emotional storyline. Nope, no feelings involved in any of this.

Seriously why does anyone like this character if he is so lacking?

Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 06:08 PM EST

Hey I never said I wasn't an insane sam fan - I have never loved a show like I do supernatural and never loved a character as much as I love sam - so yeah it sometimes makes me a little insane but I'm not afraid to admit it - spn fandom is full of insane fans - of both variety.

colin Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 06:04 PM EST

I havent seen a single Sam fan here say ANYTHING about not wanting Dean to have a major part in the mytharc. Just wanting more for Sam. So I there isnt any difference Sheila, and please dont put words in our mouths to make yourself look better. Sam fans have every right to have concerns, just like alot of Dean fans had. I couldnt care less if Dean was the whole mytharc, it doesnt change the fact that Sam rarely gets episodes about him, and emotional storylines.

ali Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 05:59 PM EST

Ahahahaha, oh my. Tash, you have officially lost the argument. Congratulations!

tash Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 05:53 PM EST

To the people saying that we are making the spn fandom look bad - where have you been? The spn fandom has long been notorious for being full of insane fans most of them dean!girls so this kind of wank is absolutley nothing new. More often than not though its come from the dean fans - or EDG (extreme dean girls
).

Sheila Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 05:53 PM EST

I just came to think of something concerning complaints from Dean fans earlier.. There really is no fairness in comparing these complaints. Dean fans were complaining about Dean not having an important part in the show, just sidekick and being Sams brother. Sam fans seems to be complaining that Dean is equal now, with a part in the mytharc and such.

I liked the scoop, I think I mentioned that in an earlier post, just wanted to say again.

Shannnon Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 05:51 PM EST

Good to hear a new spoiler again. I love them. They really keep people "busy".

I know that both Jensen and Jared are looking forward to the development in season 4, and that they are excited about their roles. They get along just fine, more than fine! Why can`t we fans also?

Linda Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 05:40 PM EST

Just popped in to see the scoop.. and got a lot of "interesting" discussion on top of that. Well, well... can`t say the fandom is boring. LOL. Nor the show. - Enjoy the show, folks.. even though there are complaints, I am sure we all in the end enjoy, otherwise we would have stopped watching. - I am glad Dean is getting a part of the mytharc! - there just had to say it... :)

Lena Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 05:26 PM EST

Colin, I'm certainly not saying Dean didn't blame himself. He made the decision to continue the exorcism and in the end, she died. But in my opinion, that's not what killed human Meg. The fall from the building injured her body beyond repair. Dean did question his actions and blamed himself for his desire to send demon Meg back to hell, but I don't consider his words in Devil's Trap to mean that he's taking any kind of "credit" for killing her. He feels guilty. He's taking the blame for his part in the exorcism that resulted in her death. There's a difference (to me).

Illogical Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 05:16 PM EST

...and I apologize for the many typos in that last post. This fandom is eating my brain.

Mara Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 05:14 PM EST

Colin, I believe it's all about intent. It was Dean who insisted they exorcise Meg, when Bobby and Sam didn't want to. Sam carried out the exorcism, but that's akin to (and I'm stealing this analogy from Shawn Michaels, sorry HBK) Gotti and Gravano... Gotti gave the orders, Gravano carried them out. Sam at that time was still very much the little brother. I don't think they'd have that dynamic anymore, but back then it was natural for them.

Illogical Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 05:11 PM EST

I completely agree Lena. But I highly doubt you're logic will convince the mouth-frothing Sam fans.

And quite frankly considering they way they dismiss all the good stuff that Sam has been given, I think they are only going to be satisfied if Dean is written out of the show. I think they believe that is the only way that their favorite actor won't be out-shined on the show. Too bad it's his own fans who feel that way.

Ack Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 05:11 PM EST

Wow, remind Ausiello why he should give the Supernatural fandom any spoilers when they behave like insane trolls.

Everyone chill out relax and go outside to play. You are making the entire SPN fandom look bad.

This reminds me why I don't play in the fandom anymore.

colin Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 05:05 PM EST

The show has credited Dean with killing Meg. "Killing that guy, Killing Meg." Dean said that. Then in Born Under A Bad Sign Meg inside Sam said Dean sent her to hell... Even though it was Sam who did.

Lena Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 04:59 PM EST

Colin, neither Sam nor Dean "killed" Meg. The daevas killed human Meg. Sam exorcised the demon out of her body and human Meg died as a result of her injuries.

I guess I don't agree about naming episodes "Sam" episodes or "Dean" episodes. They're all "Supernatural" episodes to me. I think that Dean having a new mythology-related storyline will allow the writers to utilize Dean in a way that they haven't been able to in prior seasons, and as a result, they will probably be able to focus on Sam's inner emotions as well, since he will no longer be the *only* character that has to carry the mytharc plot. Both boys will do that now. I think it's a good thing for both characters and for the show in general.

Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 04:50 PM EST

Mara do you think it will just be here? and look to your self and your everythng must be about Dean clan..

Kelsey Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 04:49 PM EST

It's so disappointing that for as many intelligent, thoughtful fans there are in the Supernatural fandom, there are just as many idiots bickering over the boys like Dean and Sam are involved in some witless competition. For all of you trying to reason with the overzealous Sam fans, I think you should probably pack up and call it a day. The majority of them won't listen to word you say.

One episode is never focused wholly on Sam or completely on Dean; they need each other, period. If you're arguing over WIAWSNB, for example, Sam's relationship with Dean without the hunting was a key factor in that episode, and something that both wounded and disillusioned Dean. And, if I recall, Sam got the big speech at the end about the work they do being worth it.

And now I've done what I said not to do and started arguing. I'll just say this and go: The boys are supposed to be together, period. And anyone who pits them against each other clearly doesn't grasp the true concept of the show.

Mara Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 04:48 PM EST

Someone once said, wisely, that an actor has to show the writers how to write for the character. If you look at Kripke's original conception of Dean, it was no more three-dimensional than Sam... Dean was an unalloyed screwup, Sam was unalloyed perfection.

When you bring in a very good actor who has a bit of experience under his belt, he can make a character compelling enough that people WANT to know about him, WANT to write about him. So all this stuff about "Jensen got the better character!" is, in my opinion, misled. Jensen liked the character, and made him more interesting than he might've been on paper... Kripke's said himself that a lot of the layers were introduced by the performance, and only written in later.

I guess what I'm saying is, a lot of Sam fans seem to want to attribute Jensen's success with Dean as chance, based on getting the best character. I'd say, sometimes, you make your own luck. Both characters had potential. You gotta grab that and run with it.